Lets start a Love campagin!

Would love to see an official Love your Skeptic Group day, maybe twice a year when we change the clocks back.  But something fun where everyone could change their avitar to their favorite skeptic logo for the day as a way to remind others to reach out and support their favorite groups.

There are many ways we can support our groups, many I have mentioned here before.  The benefits are great, and it isn't hard.

Review your favorite podcasts on iTunes (or the equivalent), review a book on Amazon (or where ever) and please please comment on blogs and let them know your thoughts.  Set up a small regular donation, they really mean a lot.

When we build each other up, we are doing outreach.  This lets the mainstream media know that we want more science, more skepticism and less nonsense on our airways.  We need to send them a message.  We are such a small community, we need to be there for each other. 

My blog on voting for podcasts on Stitcher 

Project Jason and Dr. Phil

Came across this woman's post on the JREF forum, always a great source for discussion. You should all know by now that I'm really bothered by the grief vampires that prey on vulnerable people and this post epitomizes all that, and from the front lines too. I won't need to add much to her comments, except to encourage others to write to the Dr. Phil Show and let them know your opinion on this matter. I don't need yet another project but maybe there is one of you waiting your turn to step forward and take on some of the work needed to be done. Personally I think something needs to be done about the Dr. Phil show.

I'm copying this text here with the knowledge that she wants this out as far and wide as possible.

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Some of you here may remember me. I run a nonprofit which assists family members of missing persons in the US, Project Jason. I also authored the blog series, "Psychics and Missing Persons" and was a speaker at TAM some years back.

I used to be a fairly frequent poster, but my workload doesn't allow for that.

Today, I received a disturbing email from an Associate Producer at the Dr. Phil Show.

She asked me this question:

"We are doing a very interesting show on Oct. 15, 2012. We will be having a few psychics on the show and we are looking to speak with a few family members of person who have gone missing or vanished. If you could please contact me if you have any people in mind that maybe interested that would be great!"

To which I replied:

"Hello Alonna,

I know and work with hundreds of families of missing persons, however, I would NEVER recommend for them to have anything to do with a show that further exploits these suffering families by exposing them to the harm caused by "psychics", who are predators.

I would venture to guess that you didn't research our organization at all, because if you had, you would know that we would be the last organization who would participate in an activity which only causes hurt to the families and wastes police time and efforts.

Popular media continues to promote such nonsense, and of course, the public, who apparently lacks in the ability to think for themselves and research, takes in all the lies and exaggerations these people make.

Why don't you instead, produce a show in which you showcase all the valid, scientific means to find missing persons? Why don't you feature a story about our retreat, the only one like it in the world, in which we teach families of the missing coping skills and how they can go on in the face of such a tragedy?

I would invite you to read more about why we take such a strong stance on this here:

http://projectjason.org/education-tr...ng-people.html

Also, read just this one 3-part story about psychic predators:

http://voice4themissing.blogspot.com...nd-part-i.html

Furthermore, I will alert all of my associates, families of the missing, and thousands of supporters about this, and ask them to write in to the show and express their dismay at the subject matter and decision-making process behind it.

I realize the tone of this message seems quite harsh, but I would venture to guess that you and the staff who were involved in this show do not have a missing loved one in their life, nor have done research into the lack of proof of these claims. You would have no knowledge of how this affects these families, but if you read all of my material above, you might start to gain an understanding and hopefully never produce a show in which you give these predators a platform to peddle their faulty wares.

The only thing I can thank you for is an opportunity to educate. I truly hope you will take some time to consider our viewpoint, which is the truth of the matter.

With hope for real solutions to find missing persons,

Kelly Jolkowski, Mother of Missing Jason Jolkowski
President and Founder,
Project Jason
www.projectjason.org"

She then replied:

"I apologize if I offend you as that wasn’t my intend.

Have a great day!"

And I stated:

"I wouldn't say I am offended. I would say that I am very disappointed in the show.

I really, really want you and your staff to consider the truth of this matter and the harm caused by airing this show."

Naturally, there is no response to this. I feel confident my email was trashed and she did nor will read anything beyond the original response.

I ask my JREF friends to take a few minutes and let the show know how they feel about this episode. I doubt it will change the planned course, but I am hoping that it may make them think twice before doing it again.

Here is a link to the Dr. Phil contact form:

http://www.drphil.com/plugger/respond/?plugID=9164

Thank you.

Kelly

I'm sure Kelly is correct, Alonna never wanted to see her mistake see the light of day. I'm sure her job depends on keeping her insensitivity secret.

I would like to add that several JREF posters did write a response to the Dr. Phil show, but probably not enough of us. I don't know if the show taped with out Kelly's help. I'm sure they managed to find some families that in their desperation will go on the show to get more media attention to finding their loved one. I can say that in the same situation I would probably do the same. Listen to the grief vampire rattle off their nonsense, then punch them in the face. That ought to get the media's attention.

One more thing, I often read uninformed opinions that psychics are all fun and cause no harm. If your talking about the variety that tells fortunes at the Haunted Hayride (which is where I'm writing this from, while watching Mark Edward read tarot cards) then you are correct. But if you are talking about the psychic detectives and those that say they are communicating with dead family members, there is plenty of harm. And would love to see you explain to me where the fun is when a child is missing.

Here is a link from the Klaas Kids foundation I often link to. Its bookmarked on my computer for easy access, I suggest you do the same.

http://klaaskids.org/pg-mc-hazards.htm

Support your local (and not so local) skeptic

So you want to encourage skepticism. And not necessarily financially? Guess what, its really easy to do.

This is a big world, and we are only a small part of it. Inside that group is an even smaller group, those of us that are out there producing the videos, podcasts, blogs, books and articles we are reading and listening to.

Trust me when I tell you that you can make a difference, not necessarily just you. But You and You and You and You. Crowd sourcing as Tim Farley keeps telling us can be very powerful. Remember the movie “A Bugs Life”? Remember the part where the main grasshopper is telling the other grasshoppers that it is important to keep the ants thinking that they are weak, because when they realize that together they can overpower the grasshoppers, that will be a very powerful moment. Okay the illustration isn't perfect, but I hope you get my meaning. When there are a lot of people focused on one goal, things get done.

I'm not going to talk about my project Guerrilla Skepticism on Wikipedia here, but it is an excellent example of crowd sourcing.

Our bloggers, podcasters and authors need our help. If you appreciate their efforts let them know. Leave a review on Amazon, a comment on their blog and a review on iTunes. Don't just comment on a social network thread, that comment is quickly gone, make it more public and permanent.  Also when you add your voice where others can read it, you are influencing others outside our community.

Trust me this kind of activity means so much to them, we can see counts showing that you are at least accessing our media, we might even know how long you spent on the page, we even know what Internet browser your using and what country you are reading it from. That's about it. We want to know your out there.

But please also share us on social networks, it builds our reader/listener base and that is very important also.

And lastly, if you can afford it, please consider supporting these people with subscriptions, donations and also purchasing items from Amazon through the links from their websites. I can ask you to do this because as an editor of Wikipedia, I can not accept donations. I have no books out, nor host a podcast.

I'm not just advocating this in a blog for you to read, I'm practicing what I preach. I made a conscience effort in 2012 to take a few minutes each week and leave comments, write reviews and share links, I also provide a monthly subscription to two skeptic projects.

One more thing, If you haven't heard about Tim Farley's promotion of WOT, look up his blog Skeptical Software Tools when you get a chance. If you are one of the thousands that have the WOT plug-in, go to these websites and see what we little ants have done when we all make a teeny tiny effort.

Sylvia Browne

Burzynski Clinic

You don't have to click through the warning message.  No harm will come to your computer if you choose to do though.

Susan on Skepticism

Being involved in the running of a social skeptic meetup, I occasionally run across people who are not familiar with skepticism, but identify as atheists, freethinkers or humanists.   I've been playing around with the easiest way to explain what skepticism is to these people, and have been looking for a good analogy.

Here's what I've come up with so far.

Imagine you are in a giant warehouse full of books.  Rows and rows of neatly stacked books all sorted into categories.

One row is book after book on UFO's.

Another, Cryptozoology

And another,  conspiracy theories. 

If you were to go into those rows and look closer at the books, you will notice that even in a section on cryptozoology there are separate sections on the Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot and Chupracabras. 

The conspiracy theory row is broken into areas for JFK assassination, 9/11, the moon hoax and Abe Lincoln's assassination. 

And then you notice there is a section for Atheism, Freethinkers and Humanists.  That's where you will find Dawkins, Harris and Hitchens.

The warehouse IS skepticism.  It isn't a row all by itself, it's the entire building.  Skepticism isn't a belief, it's a method.

Some of us are comfortable in different rows, and some don't have a clue what's in the next row over.

Atheism is just a row in a large warehouse called skepticism.

That's how I think about it at least.  When Monterey County Skeptics meets for dinner, the conversations are lively and varied.  We don't only discuss religion, but also medical claims, psychics and sometimes just a great movie we just saw.  We are just regular people after all. 

2012 Podcast Stitcher Awards - VOTE TODAY!

So we have another chance to bring skepticism to the attention of the rest of the world.  This is crowd-sourcing and activism that can be done from your armchair (as long as you have a Internet connection in front of you) and only takes a few minutes.

If you are a podcast listener please take a minute to vote on your favorite podcast for the 2012 Stitcher Awards.

Keep in mind that this might seem to be a competition between our favorite skeptic podcasts, but in reality we are competing with the rest of the world of podcasts, so make your vote count.

I'm advocating for Skeptoid as best overall podcast.  I'm biased and readily admit it.  I LOVE Skeptoid.  It just celebrated its 6th anniversary with over 300 episodes.   Each episode is transcribed for easy access to all.  I don't think he has ever missed a week even when he's sick.  While there are many podcasts I think are great, I think Skeptoid has the best chance to win the award in the real world.  I know your thinking, no way its a skeptic podcast, it even has a skeptic name.  But he is releasing episodes that are really broad, I dare someone to look through his 300+ list of topics and not find many that they just had to read. 

So please consider voting today and every day until October 19, 2012.  If you go to this link http://stitcher.promotw.com Brian will send you a email every day reminding you to vote.  And before you get all huffy about that, remember we are trying to spread the skeptical message BEYOND our little world, if Brian figured this out before all the other podcasts, then he deserves our vote even more.  Get over it and vote. 

My choices for the other categories.

Best Science - Skeptoid
Best Overall Show - Skeptoid
Best Original Jouralism - Skeptoid
Best Educational and Learning - Skeptoid

Best Social Commentary - Skepticality

Music - Geologic

Best New Show - Consequence

Best Entertainment - Oh No Ross and Carrie!

Best Episode - Skepticality for "Drop a Penny on the Gate" this is the interview Derek does with the sister whose brother died in Heaven's Gate. 

Best Tech - ?
Best TV and Film - Yeah right, TV what's that?
Best Sports Commentary - LOL almost as funny as the TV category 
Best Health and Lifestyle - again I don't know
Business and Finance - ?
Food and Cooking - LOL
Best Album Art - What on a podcast?
Best Games and Hobbies - ?

Dragon*Con - 2012

My first Dragon*Con.  Wow that was something else.  First I suppose I should tell you what Dragon*Con is, and then I'll tell you about the skeptic track and my experiences.  And I know you will find this surprising... I have pictures and videos.

The easiest way to describe Dragon*Con is to say "it is a lot like ComicCon, but not in San Diego.  D*C is held in Atlanta, GA every Labor Day weekend, I think they are on 20+ years now.  From what I understand ComicCon is held in one conference center in San Diego, usually in July (this year it conflicted with TAM) and more people show up 50,000 or so.  I've been told that it is nearly impossible to walk through the convention area as it is crazy crowded.  They also do not have a skeptic track. 

D*C is a science fiction fan fest.  Nearly everyone is in some kind of costume (as you can see from my pictures), SciFi is not the only theme, steampunk, silly and serious and then sometimes wearing nearly nothing IS the costume.  One young woman I noticed was wearing jeans and no shirt.  Large stickers were covering up her nipples.  It all looked pretty commonplace to everyone around.  (and no, I did not get a picture of that)

How can you resist chickens! So cute!

Here is a link to my images from that week (part in LA and the rest in Atlanta)

Probably my favorite costume

The way D*C works is the entire downtown Atlanta is taken over by attendees.  All the businesses are ready for a crazy weekend, lots of police (hard to tell them from people dressing up like police) and people directing traffic and people standing around hoping to answer questions.  There are 5 main hotels, and they are always sold out.  These aren't Super8 motels, but the Double Tree, Marriott, Sheridon and such, $300 per night rooms on average, probably a lot more.

The inside of one of the hotels.  They were massive.

The Con has many "tracks" running simultaneously, here are a few...
Alternate History, Costuming, Puppetry, Science, Star Wars, Writers, Wheldon, Trek Track, Podcasting, Robotics, StarGate, Tolkien's Middle Earth, Brit, and Filk.  So you have to plan pretty carefully what lectures you want to attend, because the Roboic lecture might be in the Marriott, and the next one, Star Trek is in the Sharidon.  The hotels are right next to each other, but the crowds on the Saturday especially were insane.  Most people in costume, unable to move quickly, and sometimes taking up way too much space.  Riding elevators was never a good idea if you wanted to get somewhere quickly.  When you left your room in the morning, you made sure you brought everything you needed,

If you were interested in a specific track then generally the lectures/shows were held in the same area or rooms.  That was really helpful when you only have 30 minutes to get to the next lecture and there might even be a long line to get in.

So the Science and the Skeptic tracks were held next to each other, I didn't get to attend anything in the science track but I heard they were well attended.  Each track has a "Director" in charge.  Our Director is Derek Colanduno (from Skepticality podcast and IIG Atlanta).  Derek is the "inventor" of Skeptic Track and knows what he is doing.  Our main room seated 400+ people, Derek told me that is very unusual for the Con, most rooms seat 100 and are rarely filled.

Main Skeptic Track room

Within the Skeptic Track there were many lectures on many topics.  Again I didn't get to attend most, but the few I went to were great.  Everyone wears a large badge, so you don't need a ticket to attend lectures.  There are a few workshops you can attend if you pay extra, and if you want autographs of the hundreds of "celeb" you have to pay for a 8x10 picture, then wait in line and get it signed.  The price ranges depending on the celeb, I think Gillian Anderson (x-Files) was selling hers for $90 each, Alice Cooper $40.

Main Skeptic Track room

There were two or three showrooms full of everything, great stuff.  Costumes, posters, steampunk guns, light sabers, pins and t-shirts.  Lots and lots of stuff.

One of many elevator rides.

  Every night there would be at least one Ball or Event held.  They each have a theme, one Mark and I stumbled upon was the zombie ball (get it stumbled... zombies) That was a blast.  I think that Dish Network hired a group to promote "A. Zombie for President" and they had this man dressed as a zombie who drug his feet and went everywhere with his blond attractive wife who was wearing this brilliant red dress.  She sorta held him up, and she would wave at the crowds by holding up her husband's hand and waving it, it was too funny.  They also had secret service and campaigners always near.  Then the D*C who were dressed as zombies would follow along behind, I don't think I have ever seen that much blood splatter anywhere.

Another night it was Villains and Heros as the theme.  We didn't get to that sadly.  There was so much to see that wherever you were at that moment it was so interesting you didn't want to go to the place you had planned on going to.  I really wish I had made it to the Klingon Karaoke event, that would have made a great video.  
I did get a few videos, they are completely random for the most part, so enjoy the noise and wildness of the event.  I didn't want them to be planned or perfect. It might make you a bit seasick, but I want to show what it was really like, you are forever jostled, and everywhere you look there is something to see.  I like the way the videos came out because you never know what is going to walk across the screen.

Dragon*Con Crowd - Part 1

Dragon*Con Crowd - Part 2

There is also a parade on Saturday afternoon in downtown Atlanta.  What a mess of a crowd, it was super hot and humid, and very difficult to see much.  I went with Mark Edward, Dustin Phillips and Ben Radford, it was fun hanging out with them, but I doubt I will do that again.  (Unless I'm IN the parade).  Margaret Downey arranged everything and is a major help raising funds for the Skeptic Track. What I didn't realize is that the whole town comes out for this parade, and they know all the good places to be. 

Dragon*Con parade - Part 1
Dragon*Con parade - Part 2

James Randi and the Skeptic Track made it in the parade (the first time ever) thanks to Margaret Downey

 
As I said, the town is prepared for this invasion.  Everyone is very nice.  All the hotel staff do all they can to make your stay pleasant, they seem to love the costumes also.  And the people are all so nice too.  As I said the costumes can be quite elaborate, so you don't know if you are going to poked in the eye with a feather or some kind of tentacle.  But no matter where you are, if you are bumped by someone they always say "so sorry".  I thought that would wear off by the last days, but it didn't.  No matter how inconvenient it was to be in an elevator with a dragon or the Flying Spaghetti Monster, everyone is polite about it.

Try getting in an elevator with this group.

The one thing that drove me crazy (besides the crowds) was the condition of the downtown.  The people were awesome, but the sidewalks were in very bad condition.  Lots of trash and only barely handicapped ready.  You would think that with all the money brought in this weekend the city would take better care to make sure these vision impaired (I'm talking about the people wearing costumes) attendees were safer.   Atlanta is on a hill and I guess it must be difficult to keep sidewalks in shape, but I didn't think they did a very good job even trying.  There were many people in motorized wheelchairs (I assume they were needed, and not a part of a costume) and almost nowhere it was a good place to be if you had problems getting around.  Children in strollers, very dangerous getting around the crowds.

 
If you are going to attend in the future, here are a few tips.  Carry a backpack, stuff it with everything you will need.  Take snacks (food lines are long) and bring your own water bottle.  Also wash your hands frequently and carry hand sanitizer.  Don't expect to find fast wifi anywhere you want it, and the hotel charges a lot.  Whenever you see an outlet, charge you stuff.  You don't know when you will find an empty outlet again.  And yes, take your charger with you in the morning.

One more quick tip.  If you manage to get in an elevator, even if it is going the wrong direction.  Get in it. Eventually you will go the direction you want.  Take the stairs as much as possible.  Trust me, with all the food and drink you will intake, you will need to work it off somehow.  Otherwise your costume won't fit.

 





It seems that there was a lot I wanted to tell you about Dragon*Con and didn't really get to discuss anything about the lectures I saw, or much about the Skeptic Track at all.  And believe me there is a lot to tell. 

I'm hoping that the Skeptic Track will be coming out with the videos of the lectures soon.  When they do I will write a blog giving you the inside scoop about the paranormal track (yep there is one) vs the skeptic track.


I'll leave you with this one minute video of Megan Jean and the Klay Family Band.  I loved them, I meant to go back, but remember.  Everywhere you are is interesting.  Here is their FB page.

 

MCS, TAM 2012 & Sylvia Browne

What a blast TAM 2012 was.  The people as usual were amazing, but what I want to tell you about was a smallish event Mark Edward organized almost at the last minute, a field trip to protest Sylvia Browne in Vegas.

I'm going to recount the chain of events in the hope that others can see how little preparation it takes to do something like this.

So my friend Paula announced to many of us in the IIG that Sylvia Browne would be preforming at a downtown casino during TAM.  I started a secret Facebook group and we had some conversations with people, but nothing came of it.  Mark printed a bunch of cold-reading flyers and then he printed a list of Sylvia's most egregious failures (4 on a sheet) for people to Google.  He made about 100 copies of each and  brought them to TAM, just in case.

 Steve Wheeler, Stirling Gerbic-Forsyth, Charles Valek, Horse's Ass, Jim Underdown, Mark Edward.

So anyone who has been to TAM knows, everything is always happening all the time.  There is no "down-time", no empty time that you are hoping to fill.  You turn around in line at the buffet and there is someone wearing a TAM nametag and 30 seconds later you find you're in deep conversation and fast friends.  That's the nature of being in a skeptic's conference.

Mark is a doer.  He also has a degree in art, which included studies in performance and conceptual art.  He grew up in the 60's, and he assures me that people took to the street and got in people's faces when there were problems.  So Mark just announced, Friday at 6:00 we are going to stand outside Sylvia's show and see what trouble we can get into.  Mark printed flyers and we were ready to hand them out. We posted on the TAM whiteboard an announcement  for people to meet us at the horses's ass (at the large bronze cowboy statue near the meeting rooms) at 5:45pm on Friday, to visit Sylvia.  That was it, all the planning we needed.

What happened to improve that was when we remembered that Brad Lutts (from Reno Skeptics) was hand delivering the Convicted Felon Banner to Ben Radford.  I texted Brad and asked if he would bring the banner to the IIG table.  He went up to his room and brought down 2 banners.  I want to mention at this point that the IIG is in possession of these banners and you can contact us at info@iigwest.org if you want to use them.  Ben designed for these to follow Sylvia where ever she tours.  No cost, other than shipping is needed.  Plus we want to see the pictures!

The IIG table put up one of the banners to gain attention and also a sign with the date and time.  Several of us tweeted to #TAM 2012 our intention to meet.  During Friday lunch I texted every person in my phone contacts that I knew was attending TAM.  We even had an announcement from the stage.  Later we heard from many people how much they would have loved to have gone if only they had known about it.  Don't know how much more we could have done.

Jim Underdown, Brian Hart & Charles Valek at the IIG table

5:45 arrives and only about 5 people have gathered at the horse's ass.  We are starting to get a bit nervous, we knew that there was a thunderstorm alert for Vegas at about that time.  People started showing up one at a time.  We took a small group picture with the banner.

 A few more people arrived, and amazingly Randi walked by.  I didn't want to missing that, we took a group shot with Randi, the banner and the horse's ass.  Most of the people in the picture left after that shot and didn't attend with us.  We knew we needed to leave the protest at 7:00 which is when Sylvia's show started, no sense continuing when everyone was inside.

Sheldon Helms was just walking by and wondered what the commotion was all about.  We encouraged him to come with us to protest Sylvia at a nearby casino and he said, "lets go."  Most people didn't even know each other.   We were not affiliated with any group, just skeptics attending TAM.

These were the attendees ...

Ben Radford
Bob Blaskiewicz
Charles Valek
Jay Diamond
Linda Lawrence
Mark Edward
Ross Blocher
Sheldon Helms
Steve Muscarella
Steve Wheeler
Stirling Gerbic-Forsyth
Susan Gerbic
Tamara Pawulk

We had 3 cars that we filled up, and one group shared a cab.  We got to the casino, it had just rained so the heat level was low for Vegas in July.  We had no idea where Sylvia's event was, but finally found the correct place.   The walkway was enclosed under construction, which turned out to be a benefit because it was the most direct route to her venue.  We couldn't hang up the banners because that would have been illegal, so we were forced to hold the banners.  Mark led us in some of the craziest banter that would make side show people smile.  He is truly a showman and in his element with something like this. 

The video tells the story much better than I can.  We had such a blast.  Getting back to the casino we broke up and most went to eat somewhere.  Some of us met up later in Room 666 (I kid you not) and watched Ross do some amazing things to the best house's ass picture.

Then he put together all the video I shot on my little flip camera into the amazing video you now see.  He took out a bunch as you can expect.  We had a few encounters, maybe I should say, I had a few encounters.  I really went after a woman from Sylvia's camp and that just didn't fit with the tone of the video we wanted to portray.  Another woman had just seen the Sylvia show the night before and said that Sylvia knew how her husband had died.  Tamara talked to her, and seemed to be making sense but the woman's friend was upset and drug her friend away from us, with a last "if gives her comfort, leave her alone" comment.

We left room 666 at midnight, but Ross came back after the bacon and doughnut party and worked on the video till 4am.  The next morning Ross appeared looking his normal Mormon self, cheerful and peppy, with the video on his laptop.  We changed a few other things and the next thing you know it was arranged that Ross and I would be on stage after Lawrence Krauss ended his lecture, and  right before Penn & Teller did the keynote address.  It was a prime time moment.

Ross went on first and announced me, we talked about how easy it was to get this together and a bit about the banners and I said "do something, do something, do something" until they turned my mike off.

I took that same flip camera on the stage so below is some video of the audience reaction from the stage.  Jay Diamond recorded some of the audience close-up watching the video.

In the end we learned that sometimes the simplest plans are the best.  We also learned that most people don't know who Sylvia Browne is.   That was a win by itself.  Our sampling was not scientific, and yes, a lot of the people walking by had been consuming quite a bit of alcohol, and were happy to take our fliers into the casino for us.  Several hundred were left in the bathrooms, bar and areas near Sylvia's venue. 

If you are planning on doing something similar, Mark suggests that you form teams.  One to protest.  Another to be part of Sylvia's crowd.  And both groups shouldn't act like they know each other.  You will have much better results and you probably can infiltrate her venue and maybe even get to punk Sylvia to her face like Mark did in 2009. 

DO SOMETHING DO SOMETHING DO SOMETHING DO SOMETHING DO SOMETHING

The main video - Ross Blocher & Susan Gerbic

Mark Edward's Skepticblog on the protest

Ross editing the horse's ass photo- Susan Gerbic

From TAM 2012 audience reaction from the stage - Susan Gerbic

TAM 2012 audience reaction - video by Jay Diamond (must find where I put the URL)